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Post by Bill Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:50 pm

Ad hominem attacks are not permitted on this forum. Do it again and face a one week ban. It is within my remit to send you to your safe space.
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Post by Bill Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:02 pm

I would never accuse you of chill speech. But you do now seem to be aware that on this forum, actions have consequences. A simple statement of fact, not an evasion. Make ad hominem attacks and get a time out. Even extreme conservatives should understand that. It is not so much the questions as the virulent hostile manner in which they are asked. Please play nice where you are near grown ups.
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Post by Bill Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:14 pm

I already stated that their political views are irrelevant. Just because it was an answer you did not like does not stop it from being an answer. And the guy who did the "were coming for your kids" has stated that it was a poor joke that went badly wrong.
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Post by Bill Fri Jun 30, 2023 7:38 pm

If they happen to be liberals their acts do not taint the rest of them. It is on par with saying that if one Christian commits murder that means all Christians are mass murderers.

And I shall this one last time: if you do not desist with your mantra that I am in someway dishonest. you will take a forced leave of absence.
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Post by Bill Fri Jun 30, 2023 9:32 pm

For your opinion to be a matter of fact there would be some evidence to support it. The lack of that evidence reduces your truth to your opinion purporting to be the truth. That is not denial it is refusal to accept propaganda.
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Post by Bill Sat Jul 01, 2023 12:06 am

See you in a week. Bye for now.
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Post by Bill Sun Jul 09, 2023 4:46 pm

You hijacked a thread on evolution to climb on you soap box and drivel on over some conspiracy theory the right wing dreamed up. Haven't they any shame or memory of what trouble mongering can lead to? Didn't a McDonald's get shot up because it had been identified as a pedo center?
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Post by Bill Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:10 pm

I stand corrected and apologize for my mistake.
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Post by Bill Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:00 pm

To get us back on track, here is a piece from Trends in Ecology and Evolution:
Animals first occur in the fossil record around 574 million years ago. Their arrival appears as a sudden 'explosion' in rocks from the Cambrian period (539 million years ago to 485 million years ago) and seems to counter the typically gradual pace of evolutionary change. Many scientists (including Darwin himself) believe that the first animals actually evolved long before the Cambrian period, but they cannot explain why they are missing from the fossil record.

The 'molecular clock' method, for instance, suggests that animals first evolved 800 million years ago, during the early part of the Neoproterozoic era (1,000 million years ago to 539 million years ago). This approach uses the rates at which genes accumulate mutations to determine the point in time when two or more living species last shared a common ancestor. But although rocks from the early Neoproterozoic contain fossil microorganisms, such as bacteria and protists, no animal fossils have been found.

This posed a dilemma for palaeontologists: does the molecular clock method overestimate the point at which animals first evolved? Or were animals present during the early Neoproterozoic, but too soft and fragile to be preserved?

To investigate this, a team of researchers led by Dr Ross Anderson from the University of Oxford's Department of Earth Sciences have carried out the most thorough assessment to date of the preservation conditions that would be expected to capture the earliest animal fossils.

Lead author Dr Ross Anderson said: 'The first animals presumably lacked mineral-based shells or skeletons, and would have required exceptional conditions to be fossilised. But certain Cambrian mudstone deposits demonstrate exceptional preservation, even of soft and fragile animal tissues. We reasoned that if these conditions, known as Burgess Shale-Type (BST) preservation, also occurred in Neoproterozoic rocks, then a lack of fossils would suggest a real absence of animals at that time.'

To investigate this, the research team used a range of analytical techniques on samples of Cambrian mudstone deposits from almost 20 sites, to compare those hosting BST fossils with those preserving only mineral-based remains (such as trilobites). These methods included energy dispersive X-ray spectroscopy and X-ray diffraction carried out at the University of Oxford's Departments of Earth Sciences and Materials, besides infrared spectroscopy carried out at Diamond Light Source, the UK's national synchrotron.

The analysis found that fossils with exceptional BST-type preservation were particularly enriched in an antibacterial clay called berthierine. Samples with a composition of at least 20% berthierine yielded BST fossils in around 90% of cases.

Microscale mineral mapping of BST fossils revealed that another antibacterial clay, called kaolinite, appeared to directly bind to decaying tissues at an early stage, forming a protective halo during fossilisation.

'The presence of these clays was the main predictor of whether rocks would harbour BST fossils' added Dr Anderson. 'This suggests that the clay particles act as an antibacterial barrier that prevents bacteria and other microorganisms from breaking down organic materials.'

The researchers then applied these techniques to analyse samples from numerous fossil-rich Neoproterozoic mudstone deposits. The analysis revealed that most did not have the compositions necessary for BST preservation. However, three deposits in Nunavut (Canada), Siberia (Russia), and Svalbard (Norway) had almost identical compositions to BST-rocks from the Cambrian period. Nevertheless, none of the samples from these three deposits contained animal fossils, even though conditions were likely favourable for their preservation.

Dr Anderson added: 'Similarities in the distribution of clays with fossils in these rare early Neoproterozoic samples and with exceptional Cambrian deposits suggest that, in both cases, clays were attached to decaying tissues, and that conditions conducive to BST preservation were available in both time periods. This provides the first "evidence for absence" and supports the view that animals had not evolved by the early Neoproterozoic era, contrary to some molecular clock estimates.'

According to the researchers, the study suggests a possible maximum age to the origin of animals of around 789 million years: the youngest estimated age of the Svalbard formation. The group now intend to search for progressively younger Neoproterozoic deposits with conditions for BST preservation. This will confirm the age of rocks in which animals are missing from the fossil record because they really were absent, rather than because conditions did not enable them to be fossilised. They also intend to perform laboratory experiments to investigate the mechanisms that underpin clay-organic interactions in BST preservation.

Dr Anderson added: 'Mapping the compositions of these rocks at the microscale is allowing us to understand the nature of the exceptional fossil record in a way that we have never been able to do before. Ultimately, this could help determine how the fossil record may be biased towards preserving certain species and tissues, altering our perception of biodiversity across different geological eras.'

*'Animals' can be defined as multicellular, eukaryotic organisms in the biological kingdom Animalia. With few exceptions, animals feed on organic matter, breathe oxygen, reproduce sexually, have specialized sense organs and a nervous system, and are able to respond rapidly to stimuli.


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Post by Bill Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:46 pm

Then why is it that as you dig deeper into the fossil layer you find simpler and simpler critters as you go down until you get to tribolytes at the bottom of the pile? Even the Young Earth discovery institute concedes that evolution is taking place at the germ and virus levels.

It is far easier to accept the science of evolution than some of the yarns spun in the Goat Herders' Guide to the Galaxy: Lot's wife turned into a pillar of salt? Now that is a very reasonable account of historical event.
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Post by Bill Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:30 pm

Statements made by Johnathan Wells. Senior Fellow of that Institute.

Are you now going to claim that Lot's wife really did turn into a pillar of salt?
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Post by Bill Tue Jul 11, 2023 5:37 pm

No. Find them yourself. Still sidestepping Lot's wife?
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Post by Bill Tue Jul 11, 2023 6:31 pm

Stuff that turns up in the Goat Herders Guide to the Galaxy is rarely literally true. Most of it is metaphor and, therefore, should not be taken as a literal truth. This seems to be a classic example of Yahweh being shown as a homicidal maniac: not very divine at all, if you ask me.

And if it is your opinion that the Discovery Institute does not accept micro evolution, it should be a simple task for you to prove that that is the case
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