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Post by Bill Tue May 09, 2023 12:10 am

From the ezine Mental Floss:

[list=][*]“Survival of the fittest” has become shorthand for Darwinism, but Charles Darwin didn’t actually coin the phrase. Herbert Spencer did, in his 1864 book The Principles of Biology, presenting it as his take on what Darwin called “natural selection.” Instead of being offended, Darwin embraced Spencer’s terminology. He even included it in the 1869 edition of On the Origin of Species and praised it as a more “accurate” and “convenient” distillation of his evolutionary theory. But not every exchange of ideas regarding evolution has ended so amicably

Believe it or not, the theory of how life develops on Earth has inspired a lot of controversial and inaccurate statements, including some from Darwin himself. We’re going to attempt to settle the evolution debate once and for all in this article, based on an episode of Misconceptions on Youtube. You’re welcome, science.

1. Misconception: Natural selection always means “survival of the fittest.”

Charles Darwin may have co-signed the phrase, but “survival of the fittest” is not an entirely accurate representation of natural selection. Natural selection is the process that weeds out disadvantageous traits from a population and allows advantageous traits to flourish. Spencer’s wording implies that surviving alone is enough for a specimen to propagate the next generation. This isn’t true. Surviving to sexual maturity is one half of the natural selection equation, and the other is reproducing successfully. A fish that’s fast enough to evade predators won’t have much impact on the gene pool if sharks gobble up all of its eggs.

This is why many modern biologists prefer the phrase “reproduction of the fittest” over “survival of the fittest.” Still, this version can be problematic depending on how you interpret the word “fit.” Spencer’s phrase brings to mind animals that are stronger, bigger, and faster than their competitors. We now know the specimens that are most likely to reproduce aren’t always the ones that would do best in a one-on-one fight. Other traits, like cooperation, can be just as important to a population’s success.


No species better exemplifies this than human beings. Humans are the most successful predators on Earth, despite being far from the strongest or the fastest.

2. Misconception: Evolution is elegant.

It’s easy to view nature as a carefully designed masterpiece. Natural selection has produced some incredible stuff, like the beautiful wood nymph moth, whose main defense mechanism is looking like bird poop. But for every bird poop moth, there are plenty of less-elegant examples of evolution.

One is the inside of a giraffe’s neck. In creating one of the most impressive adaptations in the animal kingdom, natural selection left behind a bit of mess beneath the hood. A giraffe’s brain is only 10 centimeters from its voicebox, but one of the nerves connecting the two parts is 13 feet long. This is a gross oversimplification, but when a giraffe decides to vocalize, the impulse travels down the neck, around the aorta, and back up the neck again before reaching its destination. That’s because giraffes evolved from organisms that didn’t have necks—their distant ancestors were fish, or fish-like creatures. In those animals, a nerve that wrapped around the heart may have made sense, but as giraffe necks have gotten longer, the configuration has gotten more absurd.

Sometimes, evolution’s roundabout path results in something awesome. Take whales: You might assume that their phylogenetic tree starts and stops in the ocean, since that’s where all life on Earth began. But fossil evidence shows that whales descended from terrestrial mammals roughly the size of wolves. That means that whales’ ancestors left the ocean, adapted to walk on land, and then returned to the sea to evolve into some of the smartest and biggest creatures on Earth. It’s not the most straightforward path to the top of a food chain, but they got there eventually.

3. Misconception: Evolution is random.

We’ve established that evolution isn’t always elegant, but it’s not exactly random, either. It’s true that the genetic variations that drive evolution show up randomly in organisms, but once that mutation appears, natural selection becomes a lot more predictable. If a trait harms a species’ chances of survival and reproduction, it won’t stick around for long, and if a trait helps its chances, it’s more likely to spread throughout the population. Whether a trait helps or harms a given animal has everything to do with the environmental pressures a species faces.

Under certain conditions, some evolutionary traits are practically inevitable. We see this in a phenomenon called convergent evolution. Bats and birds evolved wings independently, not through some freak coincidence, but because they faced similar demands from their ecosystems. So, no—Earth producing life that’s well-adapted to its environment isn’t the same as an immortal monkey with a typewriter eventually producing Shakespeare, unless the monkey has help from an editing team that saves the good stuff and burns the rest.

4. Misconception: There’s a “missing link” in human evolution.

Whether in reference to fossils or Bigfoot, you’ve likely heard the term “missing link.” It’s used to describe some mysterious, unknown creature that, if discovered, would draw a clear line between humans and our ape ancestors. But as any evolutionary biologist will tell you, the whole concept is rooted in a misunderstanding of how evolution works.

For there to be a transitional species connecting ancient apes to modern humans, evolution would have to unfold like a ladder, with one link leading cleanly to the next. This line of thinking gave us the argument: “If humans evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?” It’s also responsible for the iconic but thoroughly unscientific illustration known as the “The March of Progress,” which actually never intended to show what people generally assume it’s showing.

The counter to these misconceptions is that evolution is not a linear hierarchy—it’s more like a messy web. Multiple lines can break off from one population; populations can gain traits and lose them later; land mammals can turn into whales sometimes. Drawing a straight line from one species to another across millions of years is impossible.

Even the idea of a transitional species comes with problems. It implies that some species are fully formed evolutionary ideals, while others only serve to bridge gaps in nature’s timeline. The truth is that change is constant, even in humans. Wisdom teeth, for example, are vestigial features. It’s estimated that 35 percent of the population is born without them, and that number may
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Post by Bill Wed May 10, 2023 12:31 am

Your use of the word "true" is very idiosyncratic. A sort if "i believe this and you have no right to argue".

And as a metaphor it isn't that bad. As an alternative to evolution, however, it offends greatly the nostrils of those who do not accept the bible as a source of historical accuracy. In other words, somewhat ironically, it stinks to high heaven.
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Post by Bill Wed May 10, 2023 1:09 am

A compelling case is one where the premises are demonstrably true, the conclusion is inevitable, and if you come across a new compelling argument its conclusion will become part of your belief system if it was not already.

There is no compelling argument for the existence of a god and there is no compelling argument that shows god does not exist.

The agnostic point of view is the more rationale and is not a man made hypothesis. Once a compelling argument arrives on this topic, the agnostic will convert to theism or atheism in accord with the case: this is not ever-changing, it is "we are still waiting"

And should the theist claim prove true, then any of the Abrahamic faiths is a likely as the rest of them.
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Post by Bill Wed May 10, 2023 4:41 pm

The case for evolution is backed with a lot of evidence: to such a degree that even the Discovery Institute agrees that evolution takes place at the microscopic level. Christian fundamentalists have a habit of ignoring uncomfortable evidence on the grounds that anything that does not support scripture's doctrine has, by definition, got to be wrong.

What I think you are trying to say is that you have too much faith in dogma to accept anything that suggests that that dogma is errant.
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Post by Bill Wed May 10, 2023 6:34 pm

The British Bulldog, like all canine critters had the wolf as one of its great ancestors.   They are now so disparate as to be accepted as two distinct species.   Covid variants are classic examples of mutations at the microscopic level:  or is it the case that each variation was another act of god? And it is not a question of needing faith to accept evolution, but relying on dogma to reject what is now accepted as good science/
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Post by Bill Wed May 10, 2023 11:26 pm

Your classic straw man argument once more. Perhaps you should call your chums at the Discovery Institute and see if they can give you a better one. I suppose genetically engineered food is god using men as his agents under your dogma,
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Post by Bill Thu May 11, 2023 3:08 pm

No one has ever suggested that evolution means that two members of one species spawn a completely new species: and refuting a case that has never been made is known as the straw man fallacy. We have discussed this before but those of a dogmatic nature also seem to have selective amnesia. Your use your faith as if it was a pair of peril sensitive spectacles that prevent you seeing anything that challenges your world view and gives you permission to rant and rave at anyone who disagrees with you. Really, your faith seems to be as useful as the letters w and h in the word "why".
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Post by Bill Thu May 11, 2023 3:36 pm

If you are unable to bring anything fresh to this discussion, perhaps you should retire to your bed and get yourself some well earned rest. Don't slam the door on you way out...
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Post by Bill Thu May 11, 2023 3:51 pm

You have rejected all the evidence presented on the grounds that you have no faith with which to believe it. If you insist on wandering around with your eyes tightly shut, being in bed might save you from harming yourself. Shooting yourself in the foot is one thing, walking into a door post is quite different and not wished upon anyone.
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Post by Bill Thu May 11, 2023 4:26 pm

Now you are adding an ad hominem attack to your list of fallacies.   Perhaps you could become a case study for students of twisted thinking.
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Post by Bill Thu May 11, 2023 4:59 pm

Try is one:  Britannica article   Spoiler alert:  contains long words and thought challenging explanations.
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Post by Bill Thu May 11, 2023 6:43 pm

Nobody has ever purported your theory that evolution mean two critters of one specie mate and produce a completely new species.   I note you repeat that fallacy every time your scorn tank runs out gas.   By the way, using your scorn method, I have been able to prove that algebra is false maths.   Yay for us.

As a reward. I offer you this update to your scripture to refute some of modern science's more problematical issues:

And the Good Lord did make a chimpanzee out of part of a pile of clay.  And saw that it was good.

Taking the rest of the clay, he fashioned a human being and said unto the multitudes "now the similarity in genomes will confound satanists and creationists alike."

And the multitudes roared their approval
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