Sometimes we are forced into doing things.

An American conservative Christian sometimes acts on the lines of "I truly believe my God forbids me from doing something, which is why it is necessary to have laws to stop you doing it as well"

Which is why Roe Vs Wade must be overturned.

Roe should be overturned for more specific reasons. First, murder of an innocent life is simply wrong, no matter if it is committed by a conservative or a liberal. Killing an innocent baby in the womb is evil.

Second, Roe must be overturned because the court does not make law. That is the responsibility of states and Congress. The court’s responsibility is to interpret the constitutionality of laws already passed. Roe vs. Wade was a court decision not based on a passed law. Roe vs. Wade is unconstitutional in itself.

chapabel wrote:Roe must be overturned because the court does not make law. That is the responsibility of states and Congress. The court’s responsibility is to interpret the constitutionality of laws already passed. Roe vs. Wade was a court decision not based on a passed law. Roe vs. Wade is unconstitutional in itself.

One should check the facts before making judgements on an event. On January 22, 1973, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a Texas statute banning abortion, effectively legalizing the procedure across the United States. The court held that a woman’s right to an abortion was implicit in the right to privacy protected by the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. Hence the court acted entirely within its mandate.

You might hate its decision, but cannot deny its authority.

If we are to have a theocracy in the USA, the first order of business will be to mandate that all legislation is in accordance with scripture. Until that happens, our law makers are not held to the whims of conservative Christians, no matter how pious their mewling may be,

Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg disagreed with Roe. She said it's entire premise was wrong. She said it was not about a woman's privacy to have an abortion, but it was based on a doctor's freedom to practice. While she supported women killing infants in the womb, she knew Roe was wrong. Here is a piece that supports details her view of Roe vs. Wade https://www.newsweek.com/ruth-bader-ginsburg-roe-wade-abortion-scotus-1702948

Again, no one is calling for a theocracy in America. That is another one of your fantasies. When have facts ever mattered to you anyway?

I think we can agree on one thing, it takes a very ingenuous reading of the bible to infer that abortion is evil.

And Ginsburg is entitled to her opinion but not for anyone else to ram it down all our throats as the only expert allowed to comment on such matters. When you make an appeal to authority, it is prudent to pick an authority who is not open to dismissal.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill. That was not very hard at all. Pretty self-explanatory.

So RBG, the liberal stalwart of the SCOTUS, was an authority open to dismissal? Hahahaha...you dismiss any authority you don't agree with. You have created yourself as your own authority. You alone are your god. That is idolatry in it's ugliest form.

But according to you the command you shalt not kill is a qualified command in that it is perfectly ok, for example, to execute a rapist. If killing is evil then it is universally evil and not only in some cases.

And may I remind you that ad hominem attacks are not permitted in this forum.

Do you not know the difference in murder and kill? God does not forbid the taking of a guilty life if it is deserved, but He absolutely forbids the taking of an innocent life. A baby in the womb is the most innocent of all lives. Apparently you see no value in an unborn child.

You are reduced to hair splitting semantics to differentiate between killing and killing? wow


I understand the primitive masculinity of the anti abortion stance: I have impregnated this woman, let no one, not even her, deny the fruition of my labor. Understandable doesn't make it right, but can highlight the pathetic nature of the position.

The new Texas ban even applies to rape victims. Of course, if a woman doesn't want to be a rape victim she should not have gotten herself raped in the first place.

Semantics? Are you serious? To suggest the only difference in murder and taking the life of a serial killer is semantics  is equivalent to saying the only difference between sex and rape is a matter of semantics. Absolutely not!

Women are more than welcome to use various types of birth control if they do not want the responsibility of bearing children. No one has ever denied women that right. Once a woman becomes pregnant, it is no longer just her body. There is a baby growing within her. To simply snuff out the life of the child because it is inconvenient is horrific and monstrous. And to support the killing of an infant is equally wicked.

Your case is not backed by any sort of a compelling argument. Your opinions do not give you the right to scorn those who have the audacity to disagree with you.

Your advice that women should take birth control measures on a daily basis as a sort of defense against rape is just theocratic dogma posing as sensible reasoning.

So you are only concerned with women who become pregnant as a result of rape. You would agree with me then that using abortion as a birth control for irresponsible adults is horrific. Again, as bad as rape is and the burden of carrying an unwanted child as a result of rape would be, I still cannot see any justification for murdering the innocent child. The rapist, yes, the baby, no.

I feel compassion for a rape victim. As a chaplain with the local police department I’ve had several encounters with rape victims. It is heartbreaking listening to a woman relate what happened. But at the same time, I feel compassion for a child that was conceived by such actions. The child is not responsible and therefore should not be punished for a crime he/she did not commit. While I don’t agree with abortion I can understand why a woman would have it done. The whole thing is sad.

There is a subtle nuance going on here worthy of a quick peek,

Islam Imam "I believe that my holy book forbids me to drink alcohol.   So if you drink alcohol you will be flogged for offending my faith"    This is an example of one of those evil Moslem theocracies interfering in political issues.

Christian conservative "I believe that my holy book forbids abortion.   Therefore no legislative body is to be allowed to make abortion legal within their jurisdiction."   This is an example of good work to influence a political issue.   Denying that it is a political issue allows them to stick their oar in without separation of State and religion rearing its head.

There's a pretty big difference in getting drunk and killing someone. To equate murder with drunkenness is a sad position to take. There are no secular laws forbidding drunkenness (as far as I know), but there are secular laws forbidding murder. It is a pitiful commentary to deny the value of an unborn child and dispose of its life like a piece of garbage. This reveals how depraved mankind's heart has become with God. As Jesus perfectly said For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

The more humans rebel against God, the more clear His Word becomes.

I did not intend to make the "offenses" be equal in magnitude: only the method of dealing with the issues.

Double standards are hard to live with, even when espoused by love thy neighbor Christians.

At least the ad hominem rebuttal this time was against all humanity and not just me. wow

Stating the truth is only considered an ad hominem by those who are guilty of violating that truth.

Statements without a supporting case are opinions, not declarations of truth.

"You may trust me on this, for I always tell the truth" does not bear much scrutiny.

There is plenty of evidence to support Jesus statement concerning an evil heart. Evil thoughts lead to evil actions. We can see the rampant increase in evil actions in the form of violent crime everyday on the 6:00 news. Murders (which includes abortion) happen everyday in large Democratic led cities and in most smaller cities. Adultery affects most families today in some form. Sexual perversion is everywhere...commercials, billboards, the internet...everywhere literally. Theft is so bad now many stores are closing because mobs of reprobates will storm a store and rob them blind. You want to talk about false witnesses? Hahaha...fake news is everywhere. Even some of your posts have an air of falsehood. And finally people blaspheme the holy name of God everyday. God's last name is not Damnit.

I believe that is enough supporting evidence to validate Jesus' claim.

Those rotten evil Democrats: as bad if not worse than those rotten evil Muslims : we ought run them all out of town on on a rail rod. That would show 'em.

As we all would be led to believe. truth is the pejorative of the christian conservative - probably wearing a MAGA hat to make sure there is no doubt.

Well, we agree on another topic. Democrats are indeed evil.

Your opinion that Democrats are indeed evil seems a bit unfounded. More on par with Trumpian rabble rousing that intelligent discourse of a subject under discussion.

We don't seem to have an emoticon to indicate extreme sarcasm, otherwise I would have attached it to my post.

Well let’s see…Democrats support abortion which is against Gods command against murder; Democrats support homosexuality which is against Gods command. Actually Democrats are against everything Jesus taught. That makes them evil.

Some democrats support abortion which is not against any explicit command from on high.   Some Democrats support homosexuality which is not a contravention of scripture.   Some democrats may possibly be against everything Jesus taught.   Are you claiming all democrats hold these views or are you arguing "one bad apple spoils the entire barrel"?

For it could be rightfully claimed that some Republicans hold identical views.   Does that make you evil?

The Democratic platform supports abortion which is the murder of an innocent infant in the womb. God said murder was forbidden. The Democratic platform endorses homosexuality which God said is forbidden. To the best of my knowledge, the Democratic Party does not support any Godly position at all. I would welcome any information you have of any Democrat who opposes homosexuality and abortion. Maybe Manchin or Tulsi Gabbard. Other than these two I find the rest of the Democratic Party reprobates who reject Godly principles and practices.

BTW, despite your continued denial, God did say not to practice homosexuality. I would be more than willing to once again post the verses from the Bible.

Your opinion that an infant is created at the moment of conception is an extraordinary claim and is not one supported by the medical profession. Recent polls show that over 50% of Republicans support same sex marriage, so they also do not find it against scripture. It is possible to take one verse out of context and misconstrue to suggest homosexuality has no approval, but when others do similar things against scripture, the theist rapidly demands context is essential.

Your unbridled hatred of all those who do not have your set of beliefs is beginning to alarm me. Perhaps you should consider professional advice.